The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that circulation numbers for early comic books featuring Captain America remained close to a million copies per month, outstripping news magazines such as Time?
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... that Captain America co-creator Joe Simon chose Adolf Hitler as the character's nemesis because he was the "best villain of them all" and "hated by everyone in the free world"? Source: Dutter, Barry. "Simon Says..."
ALT1: ... that Captain America co-creator Joe Simon created the superhero in part as a response to the American non-interventionism movement during World War II? Source: Wright, Bradford W. (2001). Comic Book Nation: The Transformation of Youth Culture in America.
ALT2: ... that circulation numbers for early comic books featuring Captain America remained close to a million copies per month, outstripping news magazines such as Time? Source: Daniels, Les (1991). Marvel: Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics.
ALT3: ... that in the 1950s, Captain America was briefly billed as "Captain America, Commie Smasher" in a commercially unsuccessful comic book series that was cancelled after three issues? Source: Wright, Bradford W. (2001). Comic Book Nation: The Transformation of Youth Culture in America
Overall: @Morgan695: This article is very well written. I think the primary hook is not a good choice because it's not really about Captain America. Of all the alternative hooks, in my opinion ALT2 sounds the most interesting. FlairTale (talk) 23:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Courge Marvel:The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe states pretty clearly that Captain America does not have superpowers. In the Captain America entry in the 1985 edition of the Handbook cited in this article, under Known superhuman powers, the Handbook simply states None. In the most recent 2004 edition of the Handbook (volume 4, issue 3), the entry for Captain America under Superhuman Powers reads Strictly speaking, Captain America possesses no superhuman powers; however, his body has been mutated to the pinnacle of human perfection. This seems pretty unambiguous to me. Morgan695 (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Courge Marvel:, please provide the sources here that you claim support the information you are adding to this article. As it stands right now, the source you are currently citing (the 1983 edition of The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe) states unambiguously that that Captain America does not possess superpowers, per my comment above. Morgan695 (talk) 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Morgan695:, I found the source from Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Master Edition #2, and according to that handbook, it said that Captain America possesses superpowers and the main source of his superpowers is the Super-Soldier Serum. It said that he does have the source of superhuman powers.
The Captain America character sheet in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Master Edition #2 can be seen in this video at the 3:20 mark. The headers Superhuman physical powers and Superhuman mental powers in the Powers and Abilities section clearly state None for each. I assume the confusion here is arising from the final subheader in that section, Source of superhuman powers, which gives an explanation of the Super Soldier Serum. Though the header Source of superhuman powers appears to be standard across all character sheets as the section that explains how a given character received/developed the abilities that they possess, the sheet would nevertheless appear to contradict itself.
In the case of a divided or ambiguous source, I would default to the most recent 2004 edition of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe which, per my comment above, states the following under the section Superhuman Powers:
Strictly speaking, Captain America possesses no superhuman powers; however, his body has been mutated to the pinnacle of human perfection. He possesses strength, agility, endurance, speed, and reflexes superior to any Olympic-level athlete, and his bodily functions have been enhanced to the peak of human efficiency. His body eliminates excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.
I'd also point out that the contradictory Master Edition similarly uses language around the character being at the pinnacle of human perfection and not specifically referencing superpowers. I am unable to find a legitimately accessible version of the 2004 edition of the Handbook that a third party editor would be able to independently review; I do not wish to contravene any policies around direct links to pirated material, but if one was to type "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe read online" into a search engine, they may be able to find the document in question to confirm this independently. Morgan695 (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to agree with you, that the article should say he has no superhuman powers, but rather he is a peak human. BOZ (talk) 23:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Courge Marvel:, why are you continuing to change and revert the article while this discussion is ongoing? The behavior you're displaying here is getting dangerously close to edit warring, and doesn't inspire confidence that you intend to actually engage with other editors to build consensus. Morgan695 (talk) 23:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is the same character sheet I referenced in my comment above, and which you can see under Superhuman physical powers and Superhuman mental powers states None for each. I'm not really sure how to move forward here; in my view the sources in question explicitly state that Captain America possesses no superhuman powers, yet Courge Marvel is clearly not going to be moved from their position. Morgan695 (talk) 00:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look on this source I found. According to Marvel Avengers Ultimate Character Guide #2, it officially stated that he possesses superhuman powers of endurance, which means he does possesses superhuman powers. You can't tell me that he doesn't have superpowers when I showed you that he does.
I'm not sure that a licensed children's encyclopedia is the word of god here. I would also call your attention to the Stan Lee quote currently in the article, which makes specific reference to the character lacking "some exotic super-power to make his episodes seem colorful". Morgan695 (talk) 04:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You not sure that "a licensed children's encyclopedia" is the source for the Captain America's powers?
I don't know what else to say other than that is the proof I can give you as of right now. It's according to the source I found it from. You saw it with your eyes that it said that he possesses superpowers. Courge Marvel (talk) 05:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if an officially licensed children's encyclopedia states the Captain America has superpowers, what do you do with all the other sources that state the opposite? It would seem that majority rules here. PanagiotisZois (talk) 07:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The official Marvel Comics handbooks are infamous for understating character power levels to ridiculous degrees. For example, Thor, even without the Odinforce, during a Tom DeFalco story featuring Zarrko the Tomorrow Man, literally struck his hammer with the force of a Big Bang (or to be specific, two Thor copies, who were exactly as powerful as him together did so), and provided the energy for a machine that could destroy infinite timelines, and yet the Marvel handbooks stubbornly and idiotically claim that he can only lift a 100 tons, despite that he has demonstrated literally infinite power on multiple occasions, and with the Odinforce he should be as powerful as Odin, who has demonstrated feats enormously beyond even that scale.
In the case of Captain America the discrepancy is not nearly as extreme, but despite that he is officially peak human maximum in every single physical area, in practice he has demonstrated feats far beyond the real life human maximum, including dodging dozens of lightspeed laser beams at the same time. David A (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the article itself acknowledges, the precise parameters of any long-running serialized superhero's powers are always going to vary widely across stories due to editorial dictates and artistic license taken by authors. In any case, I've revised the section to omit any explicit acknowledgement to the character lacking superpowers, but still using the "peak human perfection" language that is consistent across sources. Hopefully this is a fair comproimse, as this is really starting to feel like a "could Goku beat Superman" type of playground debate and I really don't know how productive continued back-and-forth discussion is going to be. Morgan695 (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]