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September 27, 2024 (2024-09-27) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Attempted assassination of Hassan Nasrallah Israel carries out at least fifteen airstrikes using bunker buster bombs on Beirut, Lebanon, killing six people and injuring 91 others. Israeli officials claim they have targeted Hezbollah's central headquarters, destroying six buildings in an attempt to kill Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. (L'Orient le Jour) (Al Jazeera) Israeli officials later claim that Nasrallah was in the headquarters at the time of the strike, along with several other high-ranking officials. (Ynet News) A second wave of airstrikes is carried out in Beirut, with three buildings hit. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Ministry of Defense claims the full capture of Marynivka village in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Al Arabiya) Kryvyi Rih strikes At least one person is killed and five others are injured in a Russian missile strike on a police department in Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Nuclear risk during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko warns that Belarus will use nuclear weapons if attacked by the West. (Anadolu Agency) Southern Ukraine campaign Three people are killed and 14 others are injured when Russian drones hit Izmail in Odesa Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war Israel launches an airstrike against a Syrian military post in the countryside near Damascus, killing five soldiers and wounding another. (Al Arabiya) Haitian crisis At least 3,661 people have been killed, including 100 children, in the first six months of 2024 amid ongoing gang violence in Haiti. (Al Jazeera) Sudanese civil war At least 18 people are killed after the Rapid Support Forces attack a market in the city of Al-Fashir, Sudan. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season At least fifteen people are killed and over one million people are reported without power due to high winds and flooding caused by Hurricane Helene in Georgia, United States. A rare flash flood emergency is issued for the Atlanta metropolitan area. (WABE-TV) Cocke County, Tennessee Mayor Rob Mathis reports that the Waterville Dam suffered a catastrophic failure due to ongoing heavy rainfall, and orders the immediate evacuation of downtown Newport. (WVLT) Rutherford County, North Carolina's Emergency Management department issues a warning of the "imminent" failure of the Lake Lure Dam due to significant rainfall, and orders immediate evacuations. (USA Today) Fifteen people are killed after an illegal gold mine collapses in Solok Regency, West Sumatra, Indonesia. (Reuters) Five people, including a child, are killed in an explosion at a fuel station in Dagestan, Russia. (Al Arabiya) International relations Iraq–United States relations Iraq and the United States agree to end the U.S.-led coalition mission in Iraq by September 2025, with all remaining American troops withdrawing by the end of 2026. (Reuters) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war Humanitarian aid during the Israel–Hamas war An aid worker of a United States-based charity is shot and killed in her car by Palestinian gunmen near Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip. Gazan government officials claim that the gunmen had mistakenly identified the vehicle. (Al Arabiya) Politics and elections 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election Shigeru Ishiba defeats Sanae Takaichi in a runoff election to become the next president of the Liberal Democratic Party and prime minister designate. (Kyodo News)

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(RD posted, blurb discussion continuing) Blurb/RD: Maggie Smith

Article: Maggie Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British actress Maggie Smith (pictured) dies at age of 89. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Famous actress. Household name and winner of the Triple Crown of Acting. Davey2116 (talk) 13:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Needs some work at the moment with citations, but RD only once it is up to standard. Not transformative, impactful or at the level for a blurb, and - despite all the support votes, being "famous" does not equate to a blurb, nor does appearing in popular films. - SchroCat (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  this has become a joke of an item on the wiki homepage.

  a small group of commentators judging lives, whether they've lived a worthy life for the sacred RD section.

  judgmental jokes.

  obv she deserves to be there.

  you ppl should take a look at yourselves. Skootamassa (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oh dear. Sorry you don't understand how this place works, or what the criteria are for inclusion in different bits of the ITN section. Maybe you could read up on that before commenting next time? And there are no jokes, judgemental or otherwise. - SchroCat (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose On quality. Would Support a blurb if the article had some sort of legacy section that reflected her impact on the acting industry. One of the few actors to earn the Triple Crown of Acting and her death will undoubtedly be making global headlines, I think that's some reasons why I'd back a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  tbh I think it will come in time. This literally just broke the news not that long ago. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Unfortunately obits are always full of puffery, rather than balanced analysis, which is what skews many articles (and ITN voting). - SchroCat (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - “Famous actress” is of course an understatement. Iconic is more like it. She won every relevant award possible, and is known worldwide for her work in the Harry Potter movies. Add in her acting in Downton Abbey and decades of top-notch acting in major movie roles, and you have an ITN blurb. RIP Maggie! Jusdafax (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Obviously. She's famous for sure, but no more so than Kirk Douglas or Vera Lynn. Blurbs are, and have always been, for people of a Mandela or Thatcher stature, people where a "death and funeral of..." article would be strongly considered. Despite her many great achievements, Smith does not rise to this level. RIP anyway, I've really enjoyed her work over the years.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic actress whose roles and achievements have made her known across the world. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, a few citation needed tags to be resolved. Actress with a lasting legacy and well-written article. Almost ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Begin Photo RD It's time. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I support this. Ktin (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb As the nom mentioned she has won Oscar, Emmy and Tony awards. She has starred in some if the most famous pop culture works of recent time. Here even in rural Punjab, people recognize her. However, there are some minor issues that needs to be resolved first ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb — Per Amakuru. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb subject to issues being fixed. Mjroots (talk) 14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb While there is a section to discuss the numerous awards she has won, winning awards does not equate to someone that has had a lasting legacy or impact on their field. We're also going to see the same "popular/famous/iconic/household name" arguments that do not fly in demonstrating someone as a great or major figure in their field. (ETA) I would note that if this legacy section can be expanded to show how she influenced the field of acting (which might be possible), then I would be more ready to accept a blurb, but right now with just awards and fame, that's not sufficient, as far too many actors would qualify for a blurb on that facet alone. Oppose RD on current quality issues with several CNs all over the place.Masem (t) 14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb She was an very famous actress and had some really famous iconic roles throughout her career and has won two Oscars. LiamKorda 14:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support Blurb Iconic, lauded, craft-defining actress. Revered by her profession; adored by the public. She is the kind of figure for whom a blurb is a no-brainer. Already the most-read story at the BBC, the Guardian, The NYT. Blurb now. Dr Fell (talk) 14:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb Iconic actress, top of her field, world renowned, triple crown of acting winner. Blurb is a no-brainer RachelTensions (talk) 14:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Now Supporting RD Article is much improved. Neutral on a blurb. She was certainly an important figure, but we have been routinely declining to blurb other giants in the field. "One can't go to pieces at the death of every foreigner. We'd all be in a constant state of collapse whenever we opened a newspaper." Lady Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Highly regarded at the top of her field, won numerous awards and recognised worldwide. I'd support the blurb and will look to help with the current tags. Though I would suggest the image we use should really be of her in her McGonnagal and after phase of life as that's how many recognise her. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb I'm not sure how she could be considered as influential of an actor as the recently deceased James Earl Jones, who has an EGOT, where Maggie Smith does not. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I wholeheartedly agree she should be an RD only (not transformative), but while not EGOT, she outdid JEJ in awards, given she had two Oscars, five BAFTAs, four Emmys, three Golden Globes and a Tony. She also had six Laurence Olivier Award nominations and had the Triple Crown of Acting. - SchroCat (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Clear example of WP:OTHERSTUFF. Not a valid rationale as I see it. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 20:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Quite the opposite; she doesn't have an EGOT. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Doesn't matter in the slightest per WP:OTHERSTUFF, your failure to understand that policy is frankly rather disappointing. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Very Strong Support Blurb I believe this worldwide famous actor should be featured. She has been the star of many films including both Downton Abbeys and has captured the hearts of many, such a shame we have lost such an icon of the film industry.

The photo does need to be updated on the Wikipedia page, but I strongly support this blurb. 2H-Writer (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The photo is from the period when she won her first Oscar. That's the period where she became most celebrated. We don't need to bow to populism - she was more than Harry Potter and Downton; her damehood, for example, preceded those roles. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Blurb The article is still being edited, and she doesn't have enough due weight to merit a blurb. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD: as others have said, I struggle to see a blurb argument given the standards we imposed for James Early Jones, but the article is good and the person clearly notable. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic to say the least. Few actresses have managed to stay in high profile, diverse roles for as long as she did. Recognized world over. Cart (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb She dominated stage and screen for decades and will be remembered as a legend of an era.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• RD only, very notable actor but not the same importance/notability as a world leader. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 17:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, she was very famous worldwide and her death is reported by major media around the world right away; Their Majesties the King and Queen, together with former and current Prime Ministers all paid tributes to her. The recognition and importance of this sad news are indeed sufficient. — Boreas. 17:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb per conversations around James Earl Jones and other recent actors. Scuba 18:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The fact that James Earl Jones could and should have been blurbed but wasn't won't have influence the decision to blurb another person. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Bummer, but if the consensus is Jones didn't deserve a blurb, than Smith doesn't deserve one either. Scuba 19:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

IMO as an actress and in achievements, Smith was several rungs above Jones. Cart (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

To prove my point, Swedish radio is just doing a tribute program to Smith, Jones wasn't even mentioned on the news. Cart (talk) 20:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb. Won Academy Award two times, was in spotlight for around sixty years. A larger than life personality that was a household name and worldwide known, so the information about her death will be useful to many people. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• RD only - Many notable scientists are mentioned in RD only, so famous actors should fall in the same ballpark. -Abhishikt (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support for RD. Definitely a legendary actor of long experience and achievements - Triple Crown actors are far from common. Article looks thoroughly sourced now. I am not certain if she does or does not merit a blurb, for my part. Challenger l (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb She is an actress at the top of her field, with a career spanning decades (including recent award-winning roles), who has a rare "triple crown" of victories. If she is not nominated, then we may as well just set the precedent that no blurbs for actors or actress who die of natural causes ought be posted because this is as notable as you can get. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Additional comment and with regards to everyone complaining about the inconsistency if she is posted but not James Earl Jones... I completely agree. JEJ should have been posted, and that was a bad decision on the community's part. But two wrongs a right does not make. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, neutral on blurb. Obviously a very important figure. -insert valid name here- (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - greatly awarded and prolific actor, with an exceptionally long career. I'm not sure saying she isn't a famous politician, or what-aboutims mean much. Nfitz (talk) 20:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Ready for RD, based on when I previously commented, the only sourcing issue I see is confirming a notable movie co-starring credit which is trivial to fix. All CNs have been addressed. --Masem (t) 20:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posting as RD; blurb discussion ongoing (give me a few minutes to post it correctly; it's been a minute). Among the half dozen people who bothered to mention article quality (instead of the RD/blurb worthiness feud), there's a consensus the article is ready now. The article seems solid, and a lot of readers will be interested in seeing it now, rather than in 3 days when the RD/blurb issue is done. So I'm posting as an RD, and the discussion about a blurb can continue. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Very strong support blurb. She has been an iconic, top-notch actress (especially in movies) for decades who won dozens of awards (multiple times), and has worked for many famous pop culture works. Blurb now. 64.114 etc 21:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

VS Support per 64.114 etc and others. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:C5D1:A387:2E8:5DFD (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Also a very strong support. The reviews are reasonable. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Clive Everton

Article: Clive Everton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports ,Daily Express, The Guardian, BBC, World Snooker Tour
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Professional snooker and English billiards player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. GA article. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article is currently GA without any CN's or valid orange tags at the moment. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Seems OK. A sad one for me. I must have used his work many hundreds of times to add info to Wikipedia. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support GA article and it has been updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Article seems ready! High Admiral JMT (talk) 13:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Shigeru Ishiba / 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election

Articles: Shigeru Ishiba (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) wins the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party leadership election and will succeed Fumio Kishida as Prime Minister of Japan. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), Faustino Sojo (talk · give credit), ValenciaThunderbolt (talk · give credit) and ギルディアス156世 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

While this is a party election and Ishiba has not yet taken office, it is the politically significant election and is in the news now. Sandstein 09:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Just a comment that he is expected to take office in four days, so it could be an option to just wait until he is officially Prime Minister. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 10:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking about. Don't we normally blurb things like this once they take office? Plus Ishiba's Personal life section is unsourced so we could take the time until he assumes office to polish up his article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support once he takes office. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Once Ishiba's article is properly sourced and he becomes PM of Japan on 1 October, we should post this. That's a few days from now on so it'll still be in the news. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially becomes Prime Minister. Tofusaurus (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per Usual InedibleHulk (talk) 11:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Hold until he formally becomes PM This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 11:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Support: Very notable news. I should say wait for him to inaugurate. High Admiral JMT (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. Supporting once he officially becomes the Prime Minister. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially takes the post. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait He has not became Prime Minister yet. LiamKorda 14:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially takes over as Prime Minister. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 17:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until he is officially PM. Scuba 19:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support as soon as he takes office as Prime Minister. 64.114 etc 21:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until he becomes PM, then very strong support. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait. Shigeru Ishiba has not become Prime Minister yet. When he is inaugurated come October 1st, I will also support very strongly. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:4D24:45D6:9490:51F3 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sayuri

Article: Sayuri (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Japanese Singer-Songwriter, known for singing the ED themes for several animes notably My Hero Academia and Lycoris Recoil. Death occured on September 20 but news was only released publicly today. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Shocking news but unfortunately, there are too many unsourced sections at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Support Wait until more things get sourced. Shocking news though. High Admiral JMT (talk) 07:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready various unsourced statements and might be need to be reedited into paragraphs as most of the article currently consists of one lines. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Almost ready. I've cleaned up the article with more sourcing and better statement organization per the above's input. Now all that's left is to expand the lede and possibly see if more can be translated from the jawiki article. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

September 26

Portal:Current events/2024 September 26

September 26, 2024 (2024-09-26) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Lebanese displacement during the Israel–Hezbollah conflict Over 22,000 Lebanese residents have crossed into Syria in order to escape ongoing Israeli bombardment and a potential escalation of the conflict. (Barron's) Two people, including Mohammad Hussein Srour, a senior commander in Hezbollah, are killed and 15 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike in Beirut, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) At least 92 people are killed and 153 others are injured in airstrikes across Lebanon, bringing the total death toll from the airstrikes to more than 700 people. (Al Jazeera) Israel rejects proposals from the United States, Australia, and the European Union to initiate a temporary 21-day ceasefire with Hezbollah. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) Israel–Hamas war United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The United States grants Israel a $8.7 billion military aid package, with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin stating that the U.S. will not change its commitment to providing military aid to Israel. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Defense Ministry claims that Russian forces have taken the city of Ukrainsk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (The Moscow Times) United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Prior to a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, U.S. President Joe Biden announces a military aid package of more than $8 billion for Ukraine and directs The Pentagon to allocate all remaining security funds to Ukraine by the end of his presidential term in January 2025. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Eight Pakistani Taliban militants are killed in a shootout with soldiers in North Waziristan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 India floods 2024 Jivitputrika tragedy At least 46 people, including 37 children, who were taking part in Jivitputrika festivities in Bihar, India, drown in rivers and bodies of water swollen by ongoing flooding across India. (Reuters) Up to 275 mm (10.8 in) of rain falls across Mumbai, India, causing at least four deaths. (Al Arabiya) 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene makes landfall in Florida, United States, as a Category 4 hurricane, with sustained winds of 140 mph (230 km/h) and a minimum central pressure of 938 millibars. (National Hurricane Center) Tropical storm conditions occur across western Florida, with an automated weather station recording sustained winds of 54 mph (87 km/h) with gusts up to 68 mph (109 km/h) near Tampa Bay. (National Hurricane Center) A bus crashes in to a river in Wolaita, Ethiopia, killing 28 people and wounding 19 more. (Barron's) A United States defence official claims that a Chinese nuclear attack submarine, the first of the new Zhou-class, likely sank during construction earlier this year. (ABC News) International relations Algeria–Morocco relations Algeria imposes visa requirements on Moroccans, accusing them of criminal activity in Algeria, including "espionage" and "drug and human trafficking". (Al Arabiya) Law and crime 2024 Lebanon pager explosions Norwegian police issue an international search request for a Norwegian-Indian man linked to the sale of pagers to Hezbollah that exploded last week. (Times of Israel) Capital punishment in the United States The U.S. state of Alabama executes a man via inert gas asphyxiation using nitrogen in the country's second ever execution by this method. (AP) Racism in football in Spain A Mallorcan football fan is sentenced to one year in prison for yelling racist insults at football players Vinícius Júnior and Samuel Chukwueze. (Al Jazeera) Iwao Hakamada, the world's longest-serving death row inmate, is acquitted in Japan following a retrial. (BBC News)

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RD: Keki N. Daruwalla

Article: Keki N. Daruwalla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The HinduThe Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian poet.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Due to the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait needs some work, which is currently carried out. Will check put later to see if it is ready. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Hurricane Helene makes landfall

Article: Hurricane Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene (pictured) makes landfall near Perry, Florida, United States, as a category 4 hurricane. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene leaves at least 6 people dead across the Southeastern United States.
News source(s): National Hurricane Center
Credits:

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)

Now that the hurricane has made landfall before midnight on the 26, it can be here. Three deaths have been confirmed, as well, but I can't find a good-quality source with all three in one, and the death toll will likely become apparent and easier to cite once this gets posted, which it most likely will be. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 03:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• I have added an altblurb that more aligns with tropical cyclone related blurbs. I do believe "Southeastern United States" is worth having in the blurb because a good chunk of this region has felt the impacts of this system. Still would like to wait a tad for more precise impacts to come in, but I do imagine we'll run this eventually. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait and Support I should say wait until the death toll has been confirmed and the hurricane dissipated, but, support. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment view closed Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Closed)_Tropical_Storm_Helene_(2024). same nom. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 04:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, but likely support for altblurb. Very impactful storm that, unfortunately, is already becoming a deadly one. However, we should wait a bit further until impacts become more known, especially given the forecasted rainfall threat inland at time of writing. ArkHyena (talk) 06:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but Support. Much better than the previous nomination (as it was too early). However, I'd wait until the full impact of the hurricane becomes clear. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support I think the article is in a good shape and I think it can be posted now since it has made landfall. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable storm by sheer size alone. Impact is already apparent, and will only continue to progress over the next 12-24h. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment Updates: Flash Flood emergency issued in Atlanta and insured damage range has now been set between 4 and 6 billion dollars (2024 USD). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Growing death toll and damage assessments make a blurb advisable. Jusdafax (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support and be ready to update: I think it's already notable enough and will only become more so. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in good shape and the hurricane is now relevant ITN due to making landfall. Scuba 17:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment Updates: The Lake Lure reservoir in North Carolina is threatened with immediate failure, and per the aggregated total of fatalities on the Helene page, the death toll is now around 30 and likely to continue to rise. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Scu ba and Kcmastrpc. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 20:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

September 25

Portal:Current events/2024 September 25

September 25, 2024 (2024-09-25) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Hezbollah launches a ballistic missile targeting the Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv, Israel, which is intercepted, while Israel conducts an additional 260 airstrikes across Lebanon, killing at least 72 people. (ABC News) (Al Jazeera) The United States, the European Union, and several other countries call for an immediate 21-day ceasefire along the Blue Line on the Israel–Lebanon border, which has been rejected by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. (Reuters) Sectarian violence in Pakistan, Shia–Sunni relations At least 25 people are killed and dozens are injured in clashes between Shia and Sunni Muslim tribes in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, since September 20. (AP) Business and economy Pakistani economic crisis The International Monetary Fund approves a $7 billion loan for Pakistan to help its economy, with $1 billion being disbursed immediately and the rest in instalments over 37 months. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Argentina wildfires Intense and widespread wildfires in Córdoba Province, Argentina, destroy 40,000 hectares (400 km2) of forests and farmland, including several farm structures, and also kill large numbers of cattle. (Reuters) A blimp promoting Brazil soccer team São Paulo FC crashes into houses in the Brazilian municipality of Osasco, injuring the pilot. (Fox News) International relations Brazil–Ukraine relations, China–Ukraine relations Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accuses Brazil and China of using their proposed peace plan for ending the Russo-Ukrainian War to increase their geopolitical power "at Ukraine's expense" by urging developing nations to agree to the peace plan. (Reuters) Georgia–United States relations The United States withdraws Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze's invitation to attend a summit of national leaders hosted by U.S. President Joe Biden during the ongoing United Nations General Assembly session, and refuses any further delegator meetings with Georgia, due to the "anti-democratic actions, disinformation, and negative rhetoric towards the U.S. and the West" resulting from Georgia's recently-passed foreign agents law. (Reuters) Law and crime Crime in France, Immigration to France The center-right Macron-appointed Barnier government expresses a willingness to work with the far-right National Rally's proposals to strengthen French immigration and crime laws following the murder of a 19-year-old woman in Paris last week. (Reuters) Criminal investigations into the Eric Adams administration New York Mayor Eric Adams is indicted on federal charges following a corruption investigation, becoming the first mayor of New York City, United States, to face criminal charges while in office. (The New York Times) Four people are killed and two others are critically injured in a shooting spree in Nuoro, Sardinia, Italy. The perpetrator later commits suicide. (ANSA) A man hijacks a Los Angeles Metro Bus in South Los Angeles, California, United States, later killing one of the two passengers. The bus is driven at gunpoint for more than 7 miles (11 km) before the man surrenders to police. (AP) Six people are injured when a bomb explodes in a courthouse in Santa Maria, California, United States. A suspect is later arrested. (CNN) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election, United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson demands that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismiss Ukrainian ambassador to the United States Oksana Markarova after Zelenskyy visited an ammunition factory in Pennsylvania with several Democratic politicians, which Johnson claims represented foreign electoral intervention. (Reuters) Cross-strait relations The Japanese Navy sends a warship into the Taiwan Strait for the first time to reportedly "convey a message" to China, according to Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun. (DW) German Green Party leaders Omid Nouripour and Ricarda Lang state that they will step down following significant defeats in recent elections including the 2024 Brandenburg state election. (The Guardian) Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau survives a no-confidence vote by a vote of 211–119. (BBC News)

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(Closed) Tropical Storm Helene (2024)

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Article: Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting on Caribbean Sea. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting in Caribbean Sea.
News source(s): [1] [2] [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 2024 Atlantic storm. Lowest pressure is 979. Category 3 Hurricane on September 27 †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 13:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Can we wait until there's actual estimates of damage/casualties? Why this frantic hurry to be the first to nominate something? Way too premature. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose and close WP:CRYSTALBALL. Renominate once this actually impacts land, once deaths / injuries or damage becomes clear. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. Right now is absolutely not an appropriate time to post this, as Helene's impacts have (so far) been relatively limited and minimal. This may or may not change upon its eventual landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast, but this is no guarantee of an exceptionally impactful storm yet. ArkHyena (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait as with every single storm that is proposed to ITN, the proposer consistently adds it before it's notable. I feel like we should establish some sort of criteria for when to post these, such as when they make landfall, or when they cause significant casualties, but that's beyond the scope of this proposal. Scuba 16:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy close. Way too early to nominate such an article before any real impacts have occurred. I'd support closing this nom and waiting to renominate when impacts actually occur. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy close Way too early to nominate this, and waste of editors time. Check back in a few days. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Both "hitting on" and "hitting in" are awkward to use in this context. Hitting on (at least in the U.S.) is a synonym of flirting. Hitting in, on the other hand, I have never heard of the term "hitting in" before, the closest term "hit in" means to target or set a bounty. TansoShoshen (talk) 17:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hitting on is more related to sexual harassment I'd think these days. Nfitz (talk) 19:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and re-educate nominator that we don't need to post every time it rains (and speaking of which, isn't the unexpected collapse of the Saharan high which has very much diminished the current North Atlantic storm season more notable, though much less in the news). Nfitz (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Reminder WP:BITE; some of these comments are unnecessarily harsh, there's no need to do anything other than clearly state your case, without lambasting the nominator: WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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September 24

Portal:Current events/2024 September 24

September 24, 2024 (2024-09-24) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes The death toll from the ongoing Israeli airstrikes across Lebanon increases to 558 people, including 50 children, with 1,835 others injured. (Al Jazeera) The Israeli government declares a nationwide state of emergency until September 30. (Anadolu Agency) Ibrahim Qubaisi, Hezbollah's missiles and rocket force commander, is killed after an airstrike in Beirut, Lebanon. Five other people are also killed in the attack. (The Guardian) The United Kingdom deploys 700 troops to Cyprus ahead of a planned evacuation of thousands of British nationals from Lebanon. The UK has advised all of its citizens to leave Lebanon immediately if they can. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes At least three people are killed and 22 others are injured in a Russian guided bomb attack on an apartment building in Kharkiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Mexican Drug War The death toll from the ongoing shootouts between rival factions of the Sinaloa Cartel increases to at least 77 people, with the finding of two corpses on a highway today. (Infobae) Disasters and accidents 2024 South American wildfires 2024 Brazil wildfires Over thirty environmental organizations condemn Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva's actions that contradict his calls for further global action against climate change, such as requests for drilling oil reserves near the Amazon River and paving the BR-319 roadway through the Amazon that they state contribute to ongoing wildfires. (AP) 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Helene forms in the Gulf of Mexico and is expected to become a major hurricane before making landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast on September 26. (National Hurricane Center) 2024 Pacific hurricane season Three people are killed in flooding caused by remnants of Hurricane John in Mexico. (Reuters) The USNS Big Horn of the United States Navy runs aground and is damaged off the coast of Oman while operating in the Middle East after replenishing the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group. (AP) Law and crime Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Florida Ryan Wesley Routh is formally charged for attempting to assassinate former U.S. President and Republican Party nominee Donald Trump at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, United States. (NBC News) Human rights in Belarus Belarusian independent news outlet Reform.news reports that Jörg Dornau, an Alternative for Germany member of the Saxony parliament, has allegedly used political prisoners as labor on a Belarusian onion plantation owned by his agricultural firm. (Politico) Murder of Felicia Gayle Marcellus Williams is executed by the state of Missouri shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court denies a request to delay the execution. (CBS News) Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand Thailand passes the marriage equality law allowing same-sex couples to be legally wed starting in January 2025. (AP) Politics and elections Argentine President Javier Milei proposes an "agenda of freedom" with economic, social, and foreign policies that directly contradict the United Nations' "Pact for the Future", which he calls a model to "repress, restrict and curtail" humanity's freedom and ineffective at preventing conflicts. (Reuters) Newly-elected Sri Lankan President Anura Kumara Dissanayake dissolves the Parliament and calls for snap elections on November 14. (Reuters) (AP) Science and technology Scientists from the University of Waterloo announce that they have positively identified bones found on King William Island in Nunavut, Canada, as those of James Fitzjames, captain of HMS Erebus during Franklin's lost expedition. (CBC News) A Monash University-led study on the Ordovician meteor event provides evidence that rings may have existed around Earth approximately 446 million years ago. (Forbes) Sports The Lebanese Football Association suspends all football matches indefinitely amid Israeli airstrikes on the country. (Al Jazeera)

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Captain James Fitzjames' remains

Article: James Fitzjames (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The remains of HMS Erebus captain James Fitzjames (pictured) are identified after 177 years. (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by InedibleHulk (talk · give credit)
• Created by Wbatters (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Joshmaul (talk · give credit)

Article updated

• Wait (as Nominator) I realize these three main articles, when taken together, "kinda suck" from a "quality" standpoint. But I recently saw a bunch of us who didn't know Sycho Sid from Sid Vicious one day whip up a plate of wholly presentable Sid Justice six days later, before it went stale. I also realise such a legendary feat may not reasonably come around twice in one lifetime, but still, wait. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  What does this mean? If you are voting wait, you might as well withdraw the nomination. Natg 19 (talk) 05:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  If I wanted to withdraw it, I just wouldn't have mentioned it. I'm advising not voting on quality grounds till the lot does or doesn't improve (otherwise it gets five opposes in two-thirds of a day and snowclosed, discouraging potential helpers). The story's nominated now because it happened on this date, not because any related article is ready yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Question Do you have to include Franklin's lost expedition, which has 24 {cn} tags? The James Fitzjames article has only two. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC) p.s. and why isn't Fitzjames' article the one to be bolded? Thanks.

  No need whatsoever and you're welcome, it was just there. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Now the bio's bold in an altblurb; remember to replace the updater and creator if taking this "easy" way forward. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  "cool". We have to be careful to use HMS Erebus (1826). But the good news is, that article has no {cn} tags? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Clarified (and yeah, no tags now). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Well that strategy failed to work. You have a ton of opposes right now. Natg 19 (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  It was a bit of advice, intended for consideration; that some leave it rather than take it is always expected (and fine). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The articles are not there quality wise. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The Franklin's lost expedition article by itself has 23 CN tags. The article has a lot of room for improvement, quality-wise. Support when quality issues are resolved. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The target article has had a {one source} tag for over 5 years (Battersby, 2010). Not sure if this affects eligibility for posting. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment In addition to the quality issue, to me, this is where we probably should have blurbed when they found the Eberus in 2014, which I can't find any record of any nomination for that. The identification of remains from one of the captains seems very minor relative to that. --Masem (t) 11:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  There was a blurb when the Terror was found in September 2016. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose – If this serves as a good conclusion to the story of the Erebus excavation, then this is a pretty great target for a blurb. I really don't appreciate nominating with the knowledge that the article still needs a lot of work, though. This shouldn't be the place for that. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  That's already pretty normal here, I find, and why many stories are eventually marked "Ready" or "Needs Attention". Anyway, it led to an altblurb that solved most of that problem. And yes, it serves as a good conclusion to that ship's story, because he was her captain. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Probably not a conclusion, if some canny businessman decides to set up a commercial submersible tourist company. So let's not rush... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose 22 CN tags. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 12:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Not for the target of the alt blurb (although no-one's added to the two existing ones yet). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's the main blurb now; too many people were getting confused. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  I think that's sensible. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC) p.s. just his jawbone, it seems, but with cut marks indicating that those who survived him had taken to cannibalism.

• Oppose on quality but support in principle This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose but man I wish this article was good enough. This is a major event and should be in ITN, but the article just isn't ready. Scuba 15:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. A very fascinating discovery. Would love to see this on the ITN but unfortunately, the article has too many CN tags. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 22:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Neat factoid, but sounds like something that’d be a better fit for a “did you know?” blurb more so than an in the news highlight. RPH (talk) 00:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - a unique and notable event as an end of sorts to the long saga of the Lost Expedition (I remember reading a book as a kid doubting that either ship would ever be found), but the target articles are in poor shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  HMS Erebus (1826) is in pretty good shape? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I live in little old New Zealand and if I may offer an observation, it is this: whatever gets posted at ITN makes our 6pm news. This one is the exception. I therefore wonder whether this is really in the news internationally, or whether it's popular here because it happened in North America. Maybe others from outside of North America would want to comment, too. Schwede66 22:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  I believe the prolific Mr. Evans, without whom this'd be doomed already, is fairly Welsh (and the fascinated Midori No Sora plainly Japanese). I don't believe the Chess Olympiad made the New Zealand evening news. I'd like to believe the others are waiting. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  You are right about the Chess Olympiad. Schwede66 04:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  HMS Erebus was built in Pembroke Dock, I'll have you know, boyo. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Then there's the not-at-all misleadingly named Jalapeño, who's taught me a valuable lesson about overlooking Croatians in the Netherlands. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  And, for what it's worth, I'm a Canadian man but Commonwealth Wikipedian. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  ITN items should not be exclusively those that get front page/major news program attentions, that creates a bias. We do give more weight to those with broader covers, but we do not penalize a story that has some but limited news coverage nor not making the front page news. This allows us to highlight stories along the lines of science, medicine, history (like this), and so forth, topics that rarely ever get leading headline coverage. Masem (t) 04:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Stephen:, I’ve BOLDly re-opened this nom - from my reading of it, the vast majority of oppose votes are on quality grounds rather than notability, and as such I don’t think it’s entirely fair to close quite yet, given those issues can (and hopefully will) be addressed. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, at least for now. I'm hardly wowed by the expansion of Fitzjames's article from how much we tend to want from an ITN perspective. It's neither long nor properly explains how substantial of a discovery his remains are. Improvement on these fronts MAY sway me. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: For me, this news does not seem very important, at least not for the ITN. High Admiral JMT (talk) 07:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Would have loved to see this one posted but sadly the quality of the article is not good enough due to lack of sources, but it is improving. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's certainly lacking sources. But I'm not sure that's the same thing. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I've read better...for now (keep waiting). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Peter Jay (diplomat)

Article: Peter Jay (diplomat) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a bit of work to get it into shape, but should be manageable. - SchroCat (talk) 05:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Mainly because of the orange tag. Changing to Support. Issue has been resolved. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support No tags. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks good. Scuba 15:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Expanded the lead a bit. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

September 23

Portal:Current events/2024 September 23

September 23, 2024 (2024-09-23) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Over 492 people are killed and 1,645 others are injured when the Israeli Air Force conducts over 1,400 airstrikes in Lebanon targeting Hezbollah, the deadliest day of conflict since the 2006 Lebanon War. (New York Times) (Al Jazeera) (AP) Hezbollah launches dozens of rockets and drones at Israel in retaliation for the airstrikes. (CBS News) The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon advises all posted civilian employees to evacuate southern Lebanon. (The Jerusalem Post) The Israeli military advises Lebanese civilians in southern Lebanon to evacuate north. (AP) The United States deploys additional military forces to the Middle East following significantly escalating conflict between Israel and Hezbollah and a potential wider regional conflict, adding to the 40,000 U.S. troops already present in the region. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion The Russian Foreign Ministry reports that at least 56 Russian civilians were killed and 266 others were injured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kursk Oblast, Russia, which the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry denies as Russian propaganda. (Reuters) Business and economy Swedish lithium-ion technology developer Northvolt announces revised company operational scopes and its intention to layoff 1,600 workers in the country. (CBC) Disasters and accidents 2024 Pacific hurricane season Hurricane John makes landfall near Marquelia, Guerrero, Mexico, as a Category 3 hurricane. (AP) (NHC) Mediterranean Sea migrant smuggling At least four people are found dead after a small boat carrying migrants sinks off the coast of Samos, Greece. (AP) At least 30 decomposing bodies are found in a boat off the coast of Dakar, Senegal. (Reuters) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic The World Health Organization announces that nearly 30,000 suspected mpox cases have been reported in Africa so far this year, primarily in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, as the death toll from mpox surpasses 800 people. (Reuters) Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest Climate researchers report that since 1985, deforestation in the Amazon has caused the loss of an area of rainforest equal to the combined area of France and Germany. (France 24) International relations Argentina–Venezuela relations A court in Argentina orders the arrest of Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro and interior minister Diosdado Cabello, accusing them of crimes against humanity. (Infobae) The Supreme Court of Venezuela orders the arrest of Argentinian President Javier Milei after Argentina detains a Venezuelan aircraft. (AP) Japan–Russia relations Japanese fighter jets fire warning flares at a Russian aircraft that violated Japanese airspace off Rebun Island. (Reuters) Law and crime 2021 Boulder shooting Ahmad Alissa, the gunman responsible for killing ten people at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado, United States, in 2021, is convicted of ten counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to ten consecutive life sentences. (AP) 2024 social unrest in Martinique The Government of France sends the Companies for Republican Security riot police unit to Martinique, following resistance from cost of living and social inequality protesters against French-issued bans on demonstrations. (AP) German police announce that they found 95 kg (209 lb) of cocaine worth €7 million ($7.8 million) hidden inside banana crates in supermarkets across North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. (DW) Sports 2024 AFL season 2024 Brownlow Medal In Australian football, Patrick Cripps wins his second Brownlow Medal with 45 votes, the most votes since the current voting system was introduced, and also becomes the seventeenth player to win the award more than once. (ABC News Australia)

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RD: Dick Moss

Article: Dick Moss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ungathering (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Death announced 23 September. Thriley (talk) 18:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Meets the minimum requirements. If an infobox could be added to the article, that would be great. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Articles don't typically have an "Introduction". They have leads. (Kudos.) If those are combined and the "Personal life and death" section doesn't start with him already dead, then yeah, maybe all it needs is an infobox (and perhaps less promotional tone). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• The final sentence seems particularly unbelievable, given how he didn't have a Wikipedia article till yesterday and it still doesn't contain any prehumous references. Those three obituaries could probably be covered by one. I'd keep two, if I were editing, since it'd otherwise be open to an orange tag about relying on a single source. While I'm nitpicking, I don't think Ungathering deserves credit as an updater. Fine fleshing out, no doubt, but Thriley broke the news here. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Norbert Lohfink

Article: Norbert Lohfink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jesuiten, Evangelische Zeitung
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German Catholic priest, theologian and member of the Jesuits. Grimes2 (talk) 10:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment He taught exegesis of the Old Testament in Frankfurt and in Rome, and was influential internationally. That doesn't yet show enough for my taste, - I'll try to add a bit. There's much more in German in his case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good. Scuba 14:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Looks good, let's post. Bremps... 03:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support seems good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Posted. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) New moon

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2024 PT5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A newly-discovered near-Earth object will be captured by Earth's gravity on September 29. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, CNN, LA Times, NYT, Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Starcluster (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sdsds (talk · give credit)

Article updated

We don't seem to have a good free image yet but I suppose one is coming. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait, it’s not Sep 29 yet. 64.114 etc 21:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose should be nominated next week. But also this article is just a stub. Natg 19 (talk) 21:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until it actually comes into orbit, but also Oppose on quality - article is a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait interesting, but not news yet This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment given that there is estimated to be one Temporary satellite in orbit at any time, and per the see also list we've identified a previously unknown case once every two years, roughly, this seems to fall more on a trivia side suited for DYK than ITN. Masem (t) 21:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Every two years since 2020, anyway. —Cryptic 01:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
  • It isn't eligible for DYK (still a stub, and more than 7 days old), but it could be in the future if someone manages to 5x expand it in a few days. Right now, it's neither suited for DYK nor (at least until September 29) for ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, pretty cool and notable but hasn't happened yet Personisinsterest (talk) 23:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait A new moon for Earth is a major note in astronomy and can be very interesting to non-astronomers too. I should say wait for September 29 to post though. High Admiral JMT (talk) 00:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• While Masem's overstating his case a bit, I think everyone else is doing the same for theirs, too. This is a 10m-wide rock; I can't find a prediction for maximum expected apparent magnitude, but current observations are about +22.1, and the back of my envelope says it can't possibly get brighter than +19.4. Some of the sources above say it "won't be visible to the naked eye", which is one heck of an understatement; it'll be at least 200x dimmer than Pluto, you're going to need a serious telescope to see it, and while Andrew's right that we'll probably get free images of it, expect it to look a lot closer to our ones of Eris than our ones of Eros. I'm all for posting interesting news, especially interesting astronomy news, but c'mon. We don't even post lunar eclipses, and at least people can go outside and look at those. —Cryptic 02:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, now and whenever this is nominated again. This is hardly a situation worth calling Earth getting a "new moon". It's a rock that will be here a bit and then it will be gone. Yawn. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: this is popsci trivia. Even the byline for the NYTimes article that was linked says It’s just a little guy, and not everyone agrees that it’s actually a mini-moon. Also, Despite its possible lunar ancestry, the object may not technically count as a mini-moon. To normally qualify, an asteroid must orbit Earth fully at least once; 2024 PT5 will perform a horseshoe-shaped orbit. “It certainly won’t complete one full revolution in the Earth-moon system this fall, so I’m not sure I would classify it as a mini-moon’” said Lance Benner, the principal investigator of the asteroid radar research program at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 04:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per Cryptic and Bait30. This isn't really a rare occurrence either, quite a few objects have been altered by Earth's gravitational field that we have characterized in the past few years especially with the advent of higher quality observational tools helping us identify more objects within our cosmic neighborhood. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  ITN subjects don't have to be rare as ITN mainly publishes lots of repetitive and routine items such as deaths, elections and sport. Instead, ITN entries have to be "in the news", and this one is. The only other NEO which seems to have gotten attention this year seems to have been 2008 OS7 and that's still a red link. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per others: it's trivia that we have a rock temporarily orbiting us for a while and then not doing so. - SchroCat (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until September 29 as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait and maybe support. An interesting astronomy fact and very much in the news. Regarding the fact that this happens every few years, we do post other events (elections, etc.) with this regularity too. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose now, support when it's the 29th and it's actually in orbit Scuba 15:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - if this small rock is a moon, then a comet is a planet. Hugely overly sensational headline! Nfitz (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait for now but on 29th Sept, My vote will be Support. I am all for these types of science ITN items. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Bait30 & Ornithoptera. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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(Pulled) 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes

Article: 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon leave 492+ dead and 1,645+ wounded in the single deadliest attack since the 2006 Lebanon War (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel fires hundreds of airstrikes towards Lebanon, killing at least 492 and injuring at least 1,640 in the deadliest Israeli attack in the country since the 2006 Lebanon War.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Lebanon, Israeli airstrikes targeting Hezbollah kill at least 492 people and injure over 1,600, in the deadliest day since the 2006 Lebanon War.
News source(s): NYTNBCWPABCReutersAP
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Huge escalation of the conflict in the middle east, every single media outlet is talking about it. Scuba 19:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Agreed with other opposers. This is just another part of the ongoing conflict. More escalations will occur and it seems unnecessary to post every escalation as they happen. We should really only post grandiose escalations (large-scale death tolls [perhaps five-thousand people as the minimum threshold] or widespread destruction). In relative terms, this bit of news is not that huge when compared to the conflict as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viridianwindow (talk • contribs) 18:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now, this is a major escalation in the conflict. A such large death toll and that too in Lebanon makes this attack blurbworthy. I think I am gonna change my vote on the ongoing entry as well now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 19:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is significant, but this is still relatively commonplace. Also keep in mind that there will likely be further escalations. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support in the event of major escalation, more casualties and maybe I should change my vote on the upcoming and split of the conflicts. QalasQalas (talk) 20:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The pager attack was novel but Israeli airstrikes are commonplace, just like Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthi rocket attacks. As a daily occurrence, they are best covered by Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered by ongoing. Jehochman ^Talk 20:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

  Which ongoing? this is Israel hezbollah war, not hamas Afif Brika1 (talk) 03:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support — Significant, even within the broader Middle East crisis. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew. While larger than usual, Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon aren't uncommon, and this is moreso part of the pager attacks' wave of escalation rather than being uniquely escalatory themselves. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Seeing as it'll likely be posted at this point, propose ALT2. Better wording IMO, and virtually all RSes mention that the strikes were at least intended to target Hezbollah, though they've unsurprisingly resulted in massive collateral damage/civilian casualties too. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support These are the deadliest attacks in Lebanon since the 06 war. It's a stretch to argue this is covered by ongoing. This should replace or be added to the blurb about the pager attacks.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - > 10 times the causalities of the pagers and radios. To those claiming covered by ongoing, I do not see Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) listed in ongoing. starship.paint (RUN) 00:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support not covered by ongoing, and with 500 people dying in a single day, it's pretty blurbworthy. Kline • talk • contribs 01:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 02:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support a very major attack on a sovereign nation by an another sovereign nation. We posted the pager attack and the number of deaths is 10x than that attack. LiamKorda 03:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. Very clearly NOT covered in ongoing and a fairly large escalation of conflict between Israel and Lebanon. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Significant number of casualties and not covered in ongoing. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 04:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Can't see why not at this point. Bremps... 05:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Support big body death toll Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Doesn't matter if its covered by ongoing or not. With that many casualties, it's highly notable. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Support With 500 deaths and 2 thousand injuries, this is most definitely NOT covered by ongoing. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. We now have 2 Lebanon blurbs live, but I suppose the pagers one will roll off soon. Perhaps an ongoing nomination should be considered. Sandstein 07:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  This is already covered by Ongoing. The strikes are just the latest cycle of tit-for-tat which started with Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on 7 Oct 2023. And we cover this with multiple entries in Ongoing. The timeline has multiple entries for Lebanon on Sep 23. And the lead of Israel–Hamas war says "There have also been an ongoing exchange of strikes between Lebanon's Hezbollah and Israel, risking the eruption of another full-scale war." And that article has a large section for the Israel–Lebanon border.

  So, what ITN has now is excessive duplication as this conflict has four separate entries: two blurbs and two ongoing links. Tsk.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 09:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  Respectfully, I think there's a big difference between saying that X led to Y and saying that X and Y are the same thing. It's true that the beginning of the Gaza war nearly a year ago started a chain of dominoes that eventually brought us to the present day. But that does not mean that the airstrikes in Lebanon are not a meaningfully distinct subject from those in Gaza, or that these events were not significant enough to warrant their own article and their own ITN entry to assist readers in finding it.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 10:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  The main point is that the claims above that this is not covered by Ongoing are wrong -- there have been multiple updates about this incident in the articles linked by Ongoing. The only issue seems to be that the titles of the Ongoing links are not broad enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  The issue is that this is an event with very high casualties, is a large escalation in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict, and was around 10 times more deadly than the pager explosions, which were blurbed (you !voted to wait in that discussion). Such a major attack on Hezbollah is not something that would usually be covered by ongoing. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 15:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'm confused @Andrew Davidson. What's the second ongoing link? Ukraine or Sudan? Though if Russia ever killed that many people in an attack on Kiev, I'd expect we'd end up blurbing that too. Nfitz (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Link 1 = Israel–Hamas war
  • Link 2 = Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (13 July 2024 – present)

  Both of these report the facts of the blurb in question such as the number of casualties. And, altogether, the first page refers to Lebanon 68 times and Hezbollah 47 times. For the second page, the count is 102 and 114. The claim that this front is not covered by the Ongoing pages is misinformation. Clear?

  Note BTW that the timeline page seems to have been orange-tagged since August. Is no-one but me actually reading these things?

  Andrew🐉(talk) 18:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Day 2+ The strikes have continued for another day and show no sign of stopping. So, the scope and title of the article is now uncertain and under discussion. This further demonstrates the ongoing nature of the topic. The existing timeline copes with this without any hiccup as it has numerous detailed entries each day which cover the full range of the strikes and other incidents throughout the complete theatre. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Noting that the blurb has been pulled due to an ongoing NPOV dispute over the lead. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  I see an NPOV in the background not the lede. Scuba 18:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

September 22

Portal:Current events/2024 September 22

September 22, 2024 (2024-09-22) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Lebanon pager explosions The death toll from the pager explosions across Lebanon last week increases to 42 people, with more than 3,500 others injured. (The Guardian) Assassination of Ibrahim Aqil The death toll from the Israeli airstrikes two days ago in Dahieh, Beirut, Lebanon, increases to at least 45 militants and civilians. (Al Jazeera) Hezbollah launches a barrage of rockets and Fadi 1 and Wadi 2 missiles at the Israeli Air Force Ramat David Airbase in Haifa, Israel, in retaliation for the assassination of Ibrahim Aqil with three Israeli civilians injured in Krayot and Lower Galilee and one lightly injured by an Iron Dome interception. (CTV News) (AP) Two Hezbollah militants and a civilian killed in Israeli strikes in southern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least seven people are killed in an Israeli airstrike on the Kafr Qasim school on the Al-Shati refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia strikes At least 16 people are injured in Russian airstrikes in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa A police officer is killed and four others are injured in an IED attack on a multinational diplomatic convoy in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Mexican drug war The death toll from the ongoing shootouts between rival factions of the Sinaloa Cartel in Sinaloa, Mexico, increases to 70 people with 51 others missing. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents Six people are killed and eight others are missing in floods and landslides caused by record rainfall in the Noto Peninsula of Japan. (Al Jazeera) Three people are killed, three others are injured, and a person is missing when a two-story building collapses in Naples, Italy. (CTV News) Law and crime Censorship in Israel Israeli forces carry out a raid and order the closure of the offices of Al Jazeera Arabic in Ramallah in the West Bank. (AP) Iran–Israel relations The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp arrests twelve people in six different provinces accused of being foreign operatives for Israel and "planning acts against Iran's security". (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election For the first time in Sri Lanka's history, election officials begin a second round of vote counting. In the first round, National People's Power candidate Anura Kumara Dissanayake led with 42.31% of the vote counted, while opposition leader and United People's Power candidate Sajith Premadasa took second place with 32.76%. Incumbent President Ranil Wickremesinghe came in third place with 17% of the vote. Following the counting of second and third preferences, Dissanayake is declared president-elect by the election commission. (AP) (BBC News) The United Nations adopts the "Pact for the Future", aiming for multilateral cooperative work towards peace and security, global governance, climate change, sustainable development, human rights, and more. (Reuters) Science and technology Researchers from the University of Cape Town and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology announce they have reconstructed the oldest human genome ever found, belonging to a man and a woman who lived about 10,000 years ago in the Mesolithic period. The prior oldest decoded genome was from about 2,000 years ago. (DW)

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(Posted) RD: Hanif Kureshi

Article: Hanif Kureshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian artist and designer. Article has shaped into a decent C-class biography. Ktin (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Looks alright to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Per Midori No Sora. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 10:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks fine. Scuba 14:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good enough to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Seems great enough for a post! High Admiral JMT (talk) 13:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dick Diamonde

Article: Dick Diamonde (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Music
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B4B6:28B7:28ED:B519 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Derek R Bullamore (talk · give credit) and Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian bass guitarist and member of The Easybeasts. Death announced on 22 September. 240F:7A:6253:1:B4B6:28B7:28ED:B519 (talk) 00:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready. The Discography section just needs to be sourced. After that, the article looks good to go. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Almost there as per above it needs just sourced discography. Ping me when that's done. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Added missing references. Looks good now. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  • @Midori No Sora and PrinceofPunjabi: does this resolve your concerns? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

    Sorry, PrinceofPunjab. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

    Support I think article is ready to be posted now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

[Needs attention] RD: Fredric Jameson

Article: Fredric Jameson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Trauma Novitiate (talk · give credit), VampaVampa (talk · give credit) and Christian Roess (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Influential American literary critic, philosopher, and Marxist political theorist. Author of Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism and The Political Unconscious. Thriley (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD in principle. One section requires additional citations, otherwise once fixed the article is good to go. Withdrawn vote. Tofusaurus (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose multiple cn tags, one orange tagged section and almost entirely unsourced publications section. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

oppose article needs work and citations. Scuba 14:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Support - significantly updated and {cn} tags taken care of. It looks pretty good and should be ready to go. I hope other editors can take a look and/or we can get it posted before it goes stale. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 21:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election

Article: 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 9th presidential election to become the 10th President of Sri Lanka.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election to become the 10th President of Sri Lanka.
News source(s): BBC, The Hindu, Al Jazeera, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by JohnAdams1800 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by QEnigma (talk · give credit), Not Wlwtn (talk · give credit), Obi2canibe (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and Janeesh 22 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: A new head of state was elected, and this was the first time a second round of counting was needed in Sri Lankan history.

Updated the fields Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait aftermath section needs to be expanded and needs more sources. The winner's article needs to be updated with a section about his victory. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait it seems like per infobox, he is going to be sworn in as president of Sri Lanka on 24 September, can say there is only a single day till his inauguration which instead of election, we could post about he is sworn in as president into main page. Anyway the article needs more expansion and references. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support per ITN/R Scuba 20:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support national election, change in control of the executive. Doubly ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per ITN/R Tofusaurus (talk) 23:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support per above. Change in control of executive, also victory of a third-party candidate. Not Wlwtn (talk) 01:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Support per above IDB.S (talk) 03:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Support per ITN/R. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 03:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support National election. Very important. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 2, National election so automatic qualification per WP:ITNELECTIONS. I think alt blub 2 provides the best context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.44.224.222 (talk) 09:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per all above, article is in alright shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted a modified version of Alt2. Schwede66 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 45th Chess Olympiad

Article: 45th Chess Olympiad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India wins both, the open and the women's events, at the 45th Chess Olympiad (Open board one winner Gukesh Dommaraju pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 45th Chess Olympiad (best individual player Gukesh Dommaraju pictured) concludes with India winning both the Open and Women's events.
News source(s): FirstPost (India)
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Open event winners identified. Should know of the women's event gold medalists soon. Both results are now in. Very nice work by ITN regular Kiril Simeonovski on the articles. Ktin (talk) 14:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support the blurb, but not sure if the photo merits inclusion, because there are multiple winners. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment India won the women's event also. --Lekhak93 (talk) 15:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready a large part of the prose in the main article is still in the future tense and needs to be updated. Both the events' articles are missing information regarding the 11th round, with open event 10th round summary being incomplete. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

  Agree re: the first statement, and if there are tense issues that need to be remedied, they can be remedied before the article goes to the mainpage. However, there is no gating expectation on the non-bold articles. Only the bolded one needs to be examined. Ktin (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I’ll update the articles in a few hours.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

  Edits seems to have been done and the bolded article is ready for mainpage imo. Nice work. Ktin (talk) 00:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support A chess olympiad is important enough to be in the ITN. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, good quality article. Congratulations to the editors ! Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I've updated all articles by adding reports from the last round as well as summaries from both events. In addition, it makes more sense to use the wording of the blurb that we used in 2018 when China won the titles in both events (see the alternative blurb).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted with altblurb for ENGVAR purposes. Black Kite (talk) 14:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

How come this was posted? This seems to be a youth event (Olympiad) and not the adult competition which (as far as I am aware) gets more publicity. Is this ITNR? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Huh? This is not a youth event. This is the main biennial Chess Olympiad, with many top players including Magnus Carlson, Fabiano Carauna, etc participating. Also, the Chess Olympiad is ITNR. Natg 19 (talk) 19:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm totally unfamiliar with Chess competition. Is the Chess Olympiad different from the World Chess Championship? That one seems to have names I recognize. Confused why theres two different chess contests which are apparently of similar prestige / importance... QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

The World Chess Championship is an individual tournament; the Chess Olympiad is one between teams (representing countries). —Cryptic 17:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the Chess Olympiad is an international "team" tournament, meant to be like the Olympics for chess, while the WCC is a separate tournament for individual players to determine the "best" player in chess (though now that is disputed as the world #1 is not participating). Natg 19 (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I see, thank you all! QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: W. Jayasiri

Article: W. Jayasiri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
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• Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)

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†TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 10:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose unsourced filmography and other acting roles. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Sources are still required. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Koos van der Merwe

Article: Koos van der Merwe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pretoria FM (Afrikaans)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)

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South African politician and formerly, the longest serving South African MP. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support meets the minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Per nom †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 10:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Article is in an adequate shape. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

September 21

Portal:Current events/2024 September 21

September 21, 2024 (2024-09-21) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict Assassination of Ibrahim Aqil Hezbollah confirms that Ahmed Wahbi, a top commander who oversaw the military operations of the Redwan special forces during the Gaza war until early 2024, was killed in the Israeli airstrikes yesterday in Beirut, Lebanon. (TRT World) The death toll from yesterday's airstrikes in Beirut increases to 38 people, including sixteen Hezbollah militants and twenty-two civilians, with 17 others still missing. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 22 people are killed and 30 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike on a school in the Zeitoun area of Gaza City. (CTV News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes Twenty-one people are injured when a Russian guided bomb hits an apartment building in Kharkiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Nduga hostage crisis Papuan separatists release Philip Mehrtens, a New Zealander pilot, after holding him hostage for over 19 months. (BBC) Mexican drug war Two gunmen and a civilian are killed, and a paramedic is wounded, during a Mexican Army operation in the Tres Ríos sector of Culiacán. (Noreste) Disasters and accidents 2024 Tabas coal mine explosion At least 51 miners are killed, several are trapped and twenty-one are injured after a coal mine explodes in Tabas, Iran, caused by a methane gas leak. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime September 2024 Birmingham shooting Four people are killed and seventeen others are injured following a mass shooting in Birmingham, Alabama, United States. (ABC News) (AP) Politics and elections 2024 French political crisis Newly appointed Prime Minister of France Michel Barnier announces a centre-right coalition government, and adds ten conservative Republican members to his cabinet. (Reuters) 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election Sri Lankan voters head to the polls to elect a new president between 39 candidates. The main frontrunners are Anura Kumara Dissanayake of the socialist National People's Power and current Opposition Leader Sajith Premadasa of the progressive United People's Power Party. (BBC) Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama announces plans to create a 27-acre sovereign enclave for the Bektashi Order in Tirana modeled after the Vatican City, which would be called the "Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order". (The New York Times) Sports 2024 Chicago White Sox season, Worst Major League Baseball season win–loss records In professional baseball, the Chicago White Sox earn their 119th loss of the 2024 MLB season, tying the American League loss record set by the 2003 Detroit Tigers while now being one loss away from tying the post-1900 MLB loss record of the expansion 1962 New York Mets. (AP)

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RD: Eddie Low

Article: Eddie Low (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 1News
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Noted New Zealand country musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:7C62:11B9:C5FF:512D (talk) 22:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• The mostly unreferenced "Honours and awards" and "Discography" sections will stop this from going anywhere. Schwede66 22:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose unsourced awards and Discography sections. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Benny Golson

Article: Benny Golson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cliferton (talk · give credit), Nohomersryan (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American bebop/hard bop jazz tenor saxophonist. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Not too far off, a couple of statements need sourcing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  I tried, 4 refs for 2 facts, please check. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support IMO article is good enough with nothing major holding it back. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 11:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Could someone mark as Ready? Will fall off tomorrow if not posted. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• I note that the section "Notable compositions" is almost devoid of references, hence it's not ready for posting. Schwede66 22:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support It took me less than 1 moment to note that more than six were referenced in other sections. To satisfy the desire expressed above to have a superscript number next to them, I added those refs in this section too. Well sourced article, nitpicking about redundant referencing aside. NB: I removed those sourced only to albums claiming them as jazz standards (or just in the songlist at AllMusic, not sure that's an appropriate action, feel free to undo.-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 23:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Mercury Morris

Article: Mercury Morris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American professional football player. Needs some work Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. The orange tag needs to be resolved along with several unsourced sections. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Not yet Post-football career section needs more sources but the rest of the article is in a good shape now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Al McCoy (sportscaster)

Article: Al McCoy (sportscaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Nominator's comments: American sportscaster Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support besides a rather archaic list of sports trivia, his article has no major problems. I feel rest of the article is of a high enough quality to include despite the orange tag. Scuba 02:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I would just remove that entire section. Natg 19 (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Multiple tagged sourcing issues.—Bagumba (talk) 04:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose three orange tagged sections and multiple cn tags in others. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Daniel J. Evans

Article: Daniel J. Evans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): University of Washington, Associated Press
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• Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
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American politician from the state of Washington. Died yesterday, announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sunshineisles2, shouldn't this be in the September 20 section? We put entries by date of event/death, not date of nomination. Aza24 (talk) 22:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Aza24: I've seen it done either way, if memory serves. I tend to go by the date a death was announced, since if someone died two weeks ago but it wasn't publicly announced until today, their article would presumably still be nominated, even if nominations for the actual date of death had been archived. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support RIP to another Pacific Northwest political legend; article is in good enough for ITN but some prose adjustments would do. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Senator, governor, and his article looks good. Scuba 02:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Greg Malouf

Article: Greg Malouf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald
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• Created by Cantaur3099 (talk · give credit)
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Noted Australian chef. Death announced on 21 September. 240F:7A:6253:1:B152:A2D8:5EEC:B1EC (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose multiple issues, no way near ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article in pretty bad shape. Scuba 17:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)

Article: Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I believe recent events have shown that this is very much merits ongoing status. The parent Israel–Hezbollah conflict article requires a lot of work, but the more specific Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) looks fine. Also I know that the Israel-Hamas war article is already in ongoing but although inter-linked, this really isn't the same conflict. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment I’m split on this one. Half of me thinks it merits it’s own ongoing but the other half thinks it’s covered by ongoing (spillover). 2407:E400:D004:BA01:38AE:EBE1:FE49:CF65 (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Strong support It is now a separate conflict. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment A fourth ongoing at this point (likely with also a timeline link) is going to spill over into three lines, and that's not really going to be good. Either we recognize this is considered a spillover of the Israel-Hamas conflict (only having gained a bump in the news due to the pager attacks), or something like the Sudan civil war should go (which arguably, hasn't had a lot of major events in the last few weeks). Also, the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) is not in great shape as it mostly just a timeline article with little attempt to give a larger narrative to the conflict, which is typical of these long-term current event articles and don't represent the best way to write encyclopedically about these events. --Masem (t) 12:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Alternatively, we could include the Israel-Hezbollah conflict as part of the parenthetical after the Israel-Hamas war (eg "Israel–Hamas war (Hezbollah conflict, timeline)" which might be able to keep it on two lines, still include it but also still recognize it as closely associated with the Hamas conflict. --Masem (t) 12:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

    That sounds like a good idea. While we’re at it maybe we should add the JNIM insurgency 2407:E400:D004:BA01:38AE:EBE1:FE49:CF65 (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

    No, the issue is still space. We can add a couple more words before it slips into 3 lines Masem (t) 13:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

    Fair enough. 2407:E400:D004:BA01:38AE:EBE1:FE49:CF65 (talk) 18:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait - To see if the current period of heightened tensions between Israel and Hezbollah following the pager attack continues after the blurb rolls off. Obviously if a full conflict starts then we put this in ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait - Per above, no ground invasion of southern Lebanon yet. If the situation escalates that far then it's safe to say this will be an ongoing conflict. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:37, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Moderate Support it’s getting more heated now and i support giving its own ongoing but it could easily get taken off IMO Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Pending re-evaluation of conflict escalation in the next 1-2 weeks. Spencer^T•C 19:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until boots are on the ground. Scuba 02:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait per above †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 04:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is a significant armed conflict that merits inclusion and which would have already been posted onto ongoing had there not been the Israel-Hamas conflict. We cannot downplay the significance of this ongoing event just because it involves Israel again or because we have posted too many ongoing wars. Yes, it's not ideal to use ongoing only for wars, but the discussion on its purpose should be carried out on the talk page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose On one hand it's separate from the occupation of Gaza and the ongoing ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. But it's all related. There's indications that Israel may invade both the West Bank and Lebanon as well - do we then create 4 ongoings? I'd support renaming the current ongoing to cover all of Israel and it's enemies ongoing military actions, war crimes, and violations of international law. Nfitz (talk)
• Wait until things escalate more. We don't know yet whether this heat up will last longer. Also, having four ongoing entries (with brackets) will be too much. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Changing my vote to Support now. I think it should be added when the missile attack item rolls off, although I am still of the opinion that four ongoing entries will be too much, therefore I think one of the other three should be removed. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 18:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion Put Arab-israeli conflict (or something like that) and then in parenthesis put the hamas and Hezbollah ones separate? Sportsnut24 (talk) 09:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

That article is way too high level, covering decades of conflict, to be useful as a main page link — Masem (t) 16:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Why don’t we create a new article then titled something along the lines of “Arab-Israeli Conflict (2023-Present)” (unless that article already exists lol) Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps pluralize "conflict". Nfitz (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

This is where we have to be careful with original research. I'm not saying that such sources dont exist, but we need to make sure if we start grouping news topics, we are following how sources do it. If we're grouping them just because we think they are connected without sourcing to back that up (which again, I don't think this is the case but we should be sure), we're engaging in original research Masem (t) 22:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

It's not really OR since it clearly exists. Palestine, Lebanon AND Yemen have been in conflict over the last almost 12 months. The only connection is that they are all Arabs so it would make sense.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

"The only connection is that they are all Arabs" is absolutely original research that would be a problem if sources did not link these topics already. — Masem (t) 16:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I can see this argument, but I also wonder how we can distill all these conflicts into a single topic so as to not clutter the main page. I'm assuming readers aren't going to want to jump around to 2 or 3 different Israel x <Group> conflict pages. ? Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Here's a good article (needs some sprucing up) to fit the bill: Spillover of the Israel–Hamas warSportsnut24 (talk) 08:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait per above. The pager explosions were a notable escalation, and the airstrikes/rocket strikes have ramped up in intensity, but IMO unless a full-scale invasion happens it's not quite at the level for ongoing yet. Agree with at least waiting until the pager blurb rolls off. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Support now There has been significant recent escalation in the conflict that may be worth placing it in ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Worth noting that there's an ongoing nomination for 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Support I nominated it a couple of weeks ago but the situation had not reach the necessary significance level. I think we reached that now. It’s currently geting as much (if not more) coverage than the Gaza conflict. Roncanada (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Escalation in the number of casualties and mass evacuation of Northern Israel brings this to the necessary level for ongoing. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support now that the strikes nom has been removed, and given that it's possible that the item will not be restored in due order due to NPOV issues. I'm supporting this item going into Ongoing in a general sense per above. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, given what we now know. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted There's support for this to be added to ongoing once the 2024 Lebanon pager explosions rolled off, which has just happened. With regards to main page balance concerns, we can always adjust this by shortening one of the ITN blurbs, or reducing it to three blurbs, or gaining room by adjusting OTD. With regards to the suggestion to post "Israel–Hamas war (Hezbollah conflict, timeline)", I'm unconvinced about that on two fronts. Firstly, it implies that the Hezbollah conflict is a subset of the Israel–Hamas war, and whether that is the case would need consensus. Secondly, it becomes ambiguous what "timeline" refers to. There might be value in discussing this further based on "Israel wars" as the part before the parentheses. Schwede66 20:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Developing options further, current we have (first line) and could have (second line):

  • Israel–Hamas war (timeline)  · Israel–Hezbollah conflict
  • Israel wars: Hamas (timeline), Hezbollah

  Note the use of colon and comma instead of mid dot, and that the "Israel–Hezbollah conflict" is labelled a war in this option. Schwede66 20:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order

Article: Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Albanian prime minister Edi Rama announced plans to create the Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order, a new Islamic country in Europe. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)
• Created by TheUnabashedUkrainian (talk · give credit)

New news from Albania, Edi Rama plans to create a new city-state enclave in Tirana. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until it is actually approved by all necessary entities and the state formally created. Plans can easily change this early. --Masem (t) 23:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Let's include them when the state is actually created, not when the state has been announced as planned to exist one day in the eventual future. Scuba 02:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until the plans are actually acted upon. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Hold until, and if, this happens This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Now. Only just an announcement. I'd wait until the new city-state is formally established. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until it is officially established. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

wait New states are definately notably (last being South Sudan), but let's see it be more than a plan. Will it be an UN state? Will it just be another puppet state for UN voted (likely)?Sportsnut24 (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support It's interesting and it's in the news but ITN is determined to stay stale so I've nominated it for DYK. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Until it is officially established, the announcement of pending legislation does not guarantee that the state can exist until everything is passed. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, but obvious support if/when it actually comes into existence. A new country being established would be huge news. It helps that it would involve Albania voluntarily giving up a piece of its own land, as this means there would (probably) be no major disputes preventing it from attaining recognition and legitimacy within the international community. But for all we know, this plan might never go anywhere. We'll just have to wait for now.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 10:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the Albanian parliament formally approves the proposal. Johndavies837 (talk) 10:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose until the state is actually established and approved by necessary parties. Natg 19 (talk) 17:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for actual establishment of the state. Agree that it's noteworthy enough if/when it happens. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until whenever this state is created. It’ll definitely be noteworthy enough for a blurb at that point. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Richard Dyer

Article: Richard Dyer (music critic) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Musical Intelligencer
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Aza24 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Great music crtic. Article has been fully sourced for some time, and is now updated. Aza24 (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Support seems good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. No problems found. Looks good to go. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Ready for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 12:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 09:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Daniel J. Evans

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Daniel J. Evans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Washington Governor Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Freddie Eugene Owens

Article: Freddie Eugene Owens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Rockstone35 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First person executed by South Carolina in 13 years -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 07:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait the article needs to be rewritten in some parts to remove some excess information and there are multiple sources that are repeated as different source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support A notable execution. The article seems great enough. High Admiral JMT (talk) 07:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Structure is great and is well sourced. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 09:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Cleo Sylvestre

Article: Cleo Sylvestre (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English actress Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, the article has several cn tags. Suonii180 (talk) 14:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose lot of citation needed tags †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 04:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kaviyoor Ponnamma

Article: Kaviyoor Ponnamma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian actress Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose it is a listicle with very little prose plus the tables and lists are unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Graham

Article: David Graham (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Holl194 (talk · give credit) and SugarRat (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actor Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 22:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Support David Graham is a pretty notable actor for voicing Grandpa Pig in Peppa Pig, making him mostly pretty well-known. User:High Admiral JMTUser talk:High Admiral JMT 02:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

All people with a Wikipedia article are presumed notable for RD as any other criteria (like whether voicing extended family on a popular children's cartoon passes the line) are subjective and arbitrary. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Graham is especially notable since Peppa Pig is a world-famous show for children. High Admiral JMT (talk) 00:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I repeat, the criteria to be posted as a recent death is not notability or popularity, but the quality of the article. Even if Tom Hanks died today, the page would only be posted on ITN if the page was up to scratch. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait prose is sourced, filmography isn't, but those who know the subject would know where to source that very quickly. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait prose is good enough but filmography is missing sources. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I haven't gone into the article yet but should we be ready to make a decision? High Admiral JMT (talk) 07:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Nobody has addressed the complete lack of citations in the filmography section. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I have fully sourced the filmography; article is now ready to be posted. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 21:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted discussion participation was fairly thin here, and this almost fell off of ITNC as stale. But it does look like Ollie took care of all the citations, so thanks for that effort, and it sneaks in under the wire. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ibrahim Aqil

Article: Ibrahim Aqil (Hezbollah) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Personally I would say "Wait" on this since it may grow into an ITN discussion (Israel says 10 senior commanders were killed Barrons) Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment shouldn't this be Ibrahim Aqil (militant) rather than disambiguation by organisation name? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support while there is discussion pending on renaming the article, that shouldn't hold this back from posting as it is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: It looks like this article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Geoffrey Hinsliff

Article: Geoffrey Hinsliff (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Sky News, The Independent
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British actor who played a major character on the television soap opera Coronation Street for over ten years. I have updated the article (although I was not logged in, oops) to include his Coronation Street accomplishments. Have already updated the article and skimmed through to address any non-cited claims. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready. The Filmography section needs to be sourced. It is also tagged as a stub, so if any other information can be written about the subject, that'd be great. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Almost ready just two cn tags and some of the unsourced filmography needs to be addressed. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Support marking it ready now as my concerns have been addressed. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support I've added missing references. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Midori No Sora and PrinceofPunjab: does this resolve your concerns? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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